what made you realize it was time to go?
i've been having health problems for the last few years and instead of any help, i'm listed as spiritually weak and of course associations is only my kids and husband.
all the good jw's have moved to other congregations and are doing well.
Welcome to our nightmare, Angus Beef
The best suggestion I can come up with is to do whatever it takes to keep up the facade of Trooo Believer.
You need to have an exit plan that works for you. Outing yourself as 'weak in the faith' will cut off a lot of options and I recommend saving that for much later, especially as you have kids that may run for the safety of the 'compound' if they know where you are really at.
Shut up for now
Educate yourself
Make a plan
Softly, softly, catchee monkey
let me know your thoughts believers and others too!.
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The day god answers my fathers prayers, there'll be 7 billion corpses stinking the place up.
"albert" was 55 years old, and the fifth-born of seven children.
i am the second oldest and babysat him often while he was growing up --- and while i was still at home.. yesterday, albert was out taking his usual morning stroll around his small town, when he collapsed on the sidewalk.
the doctors said it was a heart attack.
Sad news Satinka. My condolenses to you and your family
Chris
i have a question.. the conventional wisdom seems to be that to 'convert' a jehovah's witness (or get them to see ttatt) you have to ask questions that they cannot answer and engage with their true personality not their 'cult personality'.. intellectual arguments tend to fall flat because jws (who do not already have personal doubts) believe they already know the absolute truth so anything contrary to that truth is nessecarily wrong.
any criticism of their beliefs will be seen as an attack or persecution and will be dismissed as flawed 'human thinking' or 'apostate lies'.. to 'true believers' any amount of contrary evidence and illogical inconsistencies in their beliefs can be dismissed or explained away.
their starting point is that they have special knowledge of absolute truth and all evidence and arguments are then weighed against this preconceived belief.. here is my question.
I'm not an apostate of any church as I never joined one.
Trying to extract a cult member from any cult using tactics that the leaders have warned them about is pretty much futile. It only has any real chance of working when the member already has doubts.
You have to try and get to them while they are trying to convert you, not when they are trying to protect their delusions, themselves, their families and their fellow cult members from you.
so i've been going to doctors for years with chronic fatigue, a condition i managed ok but which took a drastic nose dive in late 2011 to 2012 to the point where i could barely function.
work was part of the problem, so at the end of that year i left that stressful environment.
but in the meantime, for the last few years i've been going to doctors, specialists, psychiatrists and psychologists and undergoing every sort of blood test you can imagine and seeing all sorts of medical people.
I know someone travelling the same road and suspect that they would come to the same conclusion if they would let themselves consider it.
ok so this is a conversation that i am having with a friend that i really love.
i have some points that i want to say but tell me, how would you respond to this email?.
not gonna try to defend anyone i can really only speak for myself.
Ask for an example of an article that demonstrates that Asa's pursuing a degree is supported by the WT, that she should be supported by the congregation for decision, and that anyone who gives her a hard time is out of line with official policy.
Don't give her multiple questions to choose from. Already know the official answer so that she can't trick you.
i haven't seen the 2014 yearbook on the jw site yet.
i'm looking to see if the number of partakers has increased again (as it has for many years now).
anyone have a scan of it yet?.
Some of the 144,000 already launched, have gotten bored with sitting on their clouds waiting for something to do and have defected, therefore new partakers are to be expected for their replacements.
a friend of mine is an electrician supervisor.
back in 1975, one of his employees was a jw.
the jw was so convinced that 1975 would bring the end of the world, that the jw took off from work (like, the first week in january) and sat on the top of a north carolina mountain waiting for armegheddon.
I know of a couple of Kiwi families that sold up and bought motorhomes so that they could spend the last days pioneering. They were still living in their buses years after Jehovah forgot to show up.
some strange things are happening.. 1. wife started smoking.
2. wife agreed that the whole "clean up after armageddon while growing to perfection" thing is all speculation.. 3. as i was going to the meeting tonight (i had a part and kids are sick so she stayed in) she says "do you have to go?"..
4. when i got home she says " i wanna go out and party..... hmmmmmm.
Don't argue, go party
i enjoy the odd thread about evoloution vs creation, etc but lately it seems that a large percentage of threads here devolve into fighting between atheists and theists and distract from what most of us here see eye to eye on, the wt and related things.
i wish things could be more civil here and fr people to realize that people will never see eye to eye on the topic.
it gets so tiring to see the contstant bickring and fighting on those threads.. they seem to go on page after page but very little of substance is discussed seeing as the existence or non existence of a god can be proven by anyone.
'Pearls'???
You're not getting confused with 'pigs ears' by any chance???
